March 28, 2006

Businessweek journalist recalls interview

Filed under: News — Rebecca MacKinnon @ 1:32 pm

Businessweek’s Bruce Einhorn interviewed Hao not long before his detention. Here’s what he wrote about it on the Businessweek blog:

I interviewed Wu a few weeks before the police detained him. This was when the debate was raging in the U.S. about Google, Yahoo and their role in facilitating censorship of China’s Internet. Wu was surprisingly upbeat. Yes, there were problems, but Wu said that censorship wasn’t a huge issue thanks to “work arounds” that enabled him and others to avoid the Chinese firewall. And in his blog, Wu hasn’t been shy about addressing hot-button topics. In one post, he describes a conversation with a cabdriver denouncing China’s high-flying Communist leaders as “worse than the Kuomintang,” the notoriously corrupt regime of Chiang Kai-shek that Mao’s army kicked out of the mainland to Taiwan back in 1949. In another post, Wu (who is gay) mentions how a favorite high school teacher cut him off after he came out to her. Blogging about an argument with his mother, he writes about how Chinese are expected to behave as deferentially toward their governent as they are toward their parents: “However, is the government really a surrogate of our great dear ephemeral Motherland whom we should forgive for any wrongdoing and defend from any badmouthing? Should this devotion be as unconditional as that to our own mothers?….This government is not our mother. My mother, despite her great difficulty dealing with me being whom I am, still loves me and always worries about me. I came from her and I once ran away from her smothering love. But that love is real and now I’m back, I can accept the suffocating Confucian teachings just for her. Not with this government. Not with a government that demands loyalty with no love in return.”

Will the public campaign to win Hao Wu’s release work? The timing might be right. Chinese President Hu Jintao will soon be visiting the U.S., a trip that was supposed to take place last September but was put off because of the Hurricane Katrina catastrophe. The Chinese government very much wants this visit to go well, so the leaders might decide that letting a lone blogger go free in the lead up to the summit might be an easy way to score some points.

(Emphasis added.)


  1. You honestly are a very small, ignorant and brainwashed, typical America. Probably I am the only people visiting your site. I wonder why believing in Jesus (your Ghod) is a basic human right, while the freedom of movement for brown Americans without facist white borders/lines is not a basic human right? I don’t see you slightest desire to free the many innocent Muslim Americans, Muslim preachers, Blacks, Hisbanics and Chinese - such as Leong who is sexually harassed by her CIA boss, yet received worse sentence than the white male. We see CIA send out Peking Duck, Other Liza, Image Theives to harass China. Not only Chinese are reading this web site. Everyone, other than the brainwashed Christian bigots, can see just how WRONG the Americans are. You show your inferior moral, double standard, bigotry and bias to the fullest extend.

    Comment by jessica copeland — March 28, 2006 @ 2:36 pm

  2. Please focus on this issue, and do not mix others. Come on, there should be no personal attack.

    Comment by VoicefromHeart — March 28, 2006 @ 3:18 pm

  3. For the record, I’m not Christian. If anything I’m Buddhist.
    As for Peking Duck being a CIA plant… I’m rolling on the floor laughing.

    Comment by Rebecca MacKinnon — March 28, 2006 @ 6:50 pm

  4. Oooh, I too am a CIA plant?! Who knew?! I’ve hit the big-time now…


    p.s. and for the record, I’m not Christian either. I’m leaning Taoist…

    Comment by Other Lisa — March 28, 2006 @ 9:25 pm

  5. You think a CIA agent will admit his/her identity? Just like you think the West and Israel have no conspiracy against Islam? Think about it. You fool NO ONe. Just look at history.

    Jesus Christ is the Santa Clause for adults. It is so funny to see Americans worship their childhood indoctrination all there lives. Americans are brutally mentaly imprisoned by Ghod, race and hatred at a very young age (tramatized). There is no freedom in American, only Christian church domination - everyone is forced to bow to “One Nation Under Ghod.”

    Middle-Eastern originated religions, i.e. Christianity, etc. will completely rule a nation by nature. It is a simply fact. The western scholars are too brainwashed to see this obvious fact. By their command of mass spreading, by their domination of personal lives, Christianity WILL dominate a nation - culture, politics, schools, everything - just look at the US today.

    Let Christianity run unchecked, is like let small pocs run unchecked. It will dominate and it will create violence and people will be killed in mass - as the Iraqi war and more to come.

    As for those Americans claiming non-Christian, their common feature is “you must believe in A god”. If you do not satifsy this criteria, these Americans become very uncomfortable with you. It is a simple, observable, repeatable fact.

    Comment by jessica copeland — March 28, 2006 @ 9:57 pm

  6. Frankly, I’m sure that the Chinese authorities just laugh when they hear that Americans are concerned that someone in China is being held without charges. Excuse me, but America is a country that practices rendition, torture, and, yes, holding individuals in prison without charges.

    Why don’t you start with what your own government is doing. At least you have some clout over your own government.

    This sanctimonious American lecturing other countries about “human rights” is nauseating. Supporting freeing Wu is easy because it a foreign government. Let’s see some bravery on your part –start advocating for the freeing of prisoners in Guantanamo, then I’ll be convinced you’re more than just a political shill.

    Dan Cobb, Baltimore

    Comment by Dan Cobb — March 29, 2006 @ 5:23 pm

  7. Hao Wu and Abdul Rahman…

    Andrew Sullivan is a gay identified conservative, not like Tammy Bruce conservative, but his own different kind of conservative… I know, it gets confusing sometimes. Anyway … that’s not the point. Sullivan highlights a young man named Hao Wu. Wu …

    Trackback by Everyday Thoughts Collected — March 29, 2006 @ 5:43 pm

  8. “Dan” - I would say that a majority of the bloggers advocating for Hao Wu’s release are also very much concerned and involved in the issues you reference above. Check Pekingduck’s posts if you doubt that.

    This effort is about Hao Wu, not Mumia or Guantanamo. There are plenty of other sites posting and working on those issues where you can go to speak about them.

    Other Lisa
    (the atheist)

    Comment by Other Lisa — March 29, 2006 @ 7:23 pm

  9. CIA diva Lisa, you never answer my question. That is what everyone in the world is talking about, the US turns a blind eye to its own problems. Why should minorities obey a racist majority dictatorship in the US? Democracy does not work for us.

    Comment by jessica copeland — March 29, 2006 @ 7:54 pm

  10. The hatred against China runs deep in the ignorant Christian US. I find it is laughable for the west to demand other people telling “truth”. From the Middle East, to Africa, to Europe, to South America; the US news reflects obvious lies and deceptions to their own people. The majority US people, mentally bandaged and enslaved by Ghod/Christianity, have no power to see their ignorance.

    Comment by jessica copeland — March 29, 2006 @ 7:58 pm

  11. Jessica (or Dan?), to be honest, I’m not sure what your question is. I would answer it if I knew what you were asking.

    Speaking for myself, I’m very much concerned about the problems of the US. Ask me what I think about the Bush Administration, I’m happy to tell you.

    But not here.

    This is about one individual who is also a blogger, whose work we admire and whom we care about.

    Why does that make you so angry?

    I have an email address, you can write me if you are interested in serious discussion.

    Apologies to the site-owners here for perpetuating this exhange. I’m ending it now.

    Comment by Other Lisa — March 30, 2006 @ 6:24 am

  12. Damn, Jessica’s broken my cover. I’ve been Pflamed.

    Seriously, Lisa has the right idea (as usual). It’s in poor taste, not to mention kind of stupid, to use this space to flame America or bash the perceived “China-bashers,” or to bash anyone at all. This site is about Hao Wu’s plight and what can be done to help him. Any other use is inappropriate.

    Comment by richard — March 30, 2006 @ 7:05 am

  13. Lisa, I saw the smilling interactions between Human Rights Watch and Donald Ramsfield in a public news conference. I say it is a joke.

    The US wants people in the world to talk about only things they approve. The problem is that we see NO criticism of the US on Other Lisa, Peking Duck, and other shameful thieves. The US congress produces an annual Human Rights Report criticizing everyone, espeically non-Christian non-White nations, EXCEPT for the US.

    The other problem is that these brainwashed Americans have not Chinese language skills. Their Chinese ability is about 5 year old Chinese kid. They make ridiculous accusation and obviously false decisions. It is not a problem between the west and China. It is a problem between the west and the world. Look at Iraq today, what a disaster of misjudgement and ignorance. unfortunately, many stubborn Christians still do not learn.

    Talking about the “Freedom of concience”, I have a question for Condi Rice: so a Christain convert intends to kill Ben Laden is a “Freedom of concience”. He is a hero.

    But a Muslim American intend to kill Bush is NOT. Why is that? I don’t support violence but the US is foot-in-mouth. What double standard. It is sheer frustration talking to fatally brainwashed robots.

    Comment by jessica copeland — March 30, 2006 @ 2:41 pm

  14. Jessica - if you wish, read my blog. You will see plenty of criticisms of Bush and US policies on it, and plenty of positive things about China.

    Now I am going to stick to my promise and not continue this conversation with you here. This is about Hao Wu, not the crimes of America or the sins of George Bush. You are welcome to discuss those with me elsewhere if you are serious about discussion.

    If you keep posting about this here, then I must conclude that you are not serious about discussion and that you are only here to cause disruption and trouble.

    Please demonstrate the Chinese virtues of courtesy and respect and stick to the topic without hurling insults.

    Thank you.

    Comment by Other Lisa — March 30, 2006 @ 5:16 pm

  15. Lisa, you NEVER have a discussion with me. Your CIA boss send you to distablize China. That shows in your blog. You might put a few RELUCTANT praise. Those sound so thin and ignorant/wrong anyways. You, like so many Christian missionaries, are here to preach, not listen. My answer to you is “Closed mind, only if come with a closed mouth.”

    Comment by jessica copeland — March 30, 2006 @ 6:44 pm

  16. “Jessica Copeland” is the troll “Really” who plagued a range of China blogs about six months ago. The tipoff is the spelling “Ghod” as well as the general ranting style.

    Despite the Chinese nationalist outrage, when last we checked, “Really”/Jessica/Whoever was at a SUNY Institute of Technology in Utica, New York, enjoying the freedoms and opportunities offered by the US of A. He/she/it ran a blog at for some time, which will give you a general idea of his/her/its point of view (not updated since last September). Do approach it with a sense of humor.

    I am generally for a open forum in blog comments, but in this case I highly suggest banning. I hesitate to pay any complement, but Really/Jessica is a superb provocateur who will hijack your comment threads and ensure that they are about anything and everthing *other* than Hao Wu.

    Comment by Will — March 31, 2006 @ 3:49 am

  17. Will, I am sure you’re right. This isn’t the first time I’ve come across “Really.”

    Though I’m a litle flattered that he/she called me a “CIA Diva.” It makes me feel like a rock star…

    Comment by Other Lisa — March 31, 2006 @ 5:17 am

  18. Rebecca, Lisa, keep up the hard work! Hao Wu is a man of virtue and I admire his brave acts. Our world needs people like him.

    It is really shameful for a human being to act in the way the so called “Jessica” does. I know this manner very well - the manner of the people with the filthiest motives, working for that filthy organization - the one that took Hao Wu’s freedom. CCP agents, how’s your conscience? What’s awaiting you? Are you trembling with fear?

    Comment by Zak — April 4, 2006 @ 2:44 am

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